I have recently had my fill with the anti-evangelistic, apathetic ideals that Calvinism teaches. There are many Christians that are turning closer to Calvinism and it's teachings. I dare not explain the whole Calvinistic theories. That is to long and drawn out and half of the Calvinist don't know what they believe. It all boils down to predestination. For you that are Christians Calvinism would teach you to be glad that God hand picked just you to be saved. It would also say that those that are not Christians could only hope that God has it in his plans to pick you. Finally for those that have no hope because you are not one of the elect sorry I guess I hate it for your luck.
What is the need for evangelism? If God has them picked then why bother...he will eventually lead them to himself. So this should take the Great Commission and shove it right out the door.
Why would we need to learn unconditional love? For by Calvinisms standards God has conditions to his love. One again when Jesus was trying to show Peter what AGAPE love was that must have just be for the elect.
What was the purpose of the Cross? I thought is was for ALL (whosoever) . Maybe I am missing some scripture there.
What was the purpose of the fruit in eden? That was a choice. Sin wouldn't have ever been an issue if that choice wasn't there.
Why does it say in Jonah that he "Changed his mind" ? If the city was going to be saved what was Jonah's purpose there? Why the whole big fish thing?
I could ramble on and on about this with scripture after scripture. Of course by some peoples statements in the past I probably don't have a complete bible. But for those with that comment I think theirs might be missing this one:
"The Lord isn’t really being slow about his promise, as some people think. No, he is being patient for your sake. He does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants everyone to repent." (NLT)
"The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance." (NASB)
2 Peter 3:9
Be careful out there what you believe. Scripture warns us:
"Then we will no longer be immature like children. We won’t be tossed and blown about by every wind of new teaching. We will not be influenced when people try to trick us with lies so clever they sound like the truth." (Eph. 4:14, NLT)
For those who would like to refute this I would simply proclaim this verse to you about following incorrect teachings in which you have intrapped yourself:
11 There is much more we would like to say about this, but it is difficult to explain, especially since you are spiritually dull and don’t seem to listen. 12 You have been believers so long now that you ought to be teaching others. Instead, you need someone to teach you again the basic things about God’s word.You are like babies who need milk and cannot eat solid food. 13 For someone who lives on milk is still an infant and doesn’t know how to do what is right. 14 Solid food is for those who are mature, who through training have the skill to recognize the difference between right and wrong. (Hebrews 5:11-14)
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Well I have had this welling up in me for a good while. This crap is beginning to surface again. Those that believe in it are Christians I believe but they are following a path that would show a Christ that has conditional love. Oh and for extra reading Just look up John Calvin's Role in the death of Servetus. I didn't agree with Servetus but I also think that Calvin messed up there bad.
(2 Peter 3:9) “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
It is argued that God is saying here that He does not wish that any man of this earth should perish, but that he hopes that all of us will come to repentance. Two questions arise here that must be answered in understanding of the scripture. One: Who is Peter talking to? Who is he referring to when he say’s that it is God's will that none should perish? Two: If God is willing that none should perish, is it possible that Gods Will won’t overcome the choices of man? If we refer back to 2 Peter 3:1 we will see who Peter is addressing in his letter. “This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:” Peter is obviously addressing the beloved. Now we must ask who the “beloved” is. In 2 Peter 1:1 the answer is clear “Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ. As you can see Peter is only addressing those that have obtained like precious faith with us. Nowhere does it say that he is addressing everyone of this world. On the second point, if it is God’s will that none should perish, then assuredly none will perish. (Isaiah 46:10) “Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure.” If, it is God’s pleasure and will that all men be saved, then it would surely happen. If you put into context of who the verse is addressing, then the scripture makes perfect logical sense. It is his will that none of his “beloved” or “those that have obtained like precious faith” shall perish, but all of them should come to repentance.
Also, if predestination is ludicrous, can you please explain the following verses/chapters
Ephesians chapter 1
4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved
Romans chapter 8
28And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
all of romans chapter 9
there are many many more, but ill let you get started with those first. Basically, im asking this. If they dont mean predestination, then what do they mean?
Thanks for your long "Copy, Cut, Paste" letter. You know as well as I do that all the things you just posted have other interpretations. For as many Calvinistic theological thoughts there are just as many counters to those thoughts written. At first I thought to myself:
Maybe I should answer these questions. But would that change your mind? I would dare say it wouldn't. The indoctination in which you find yourself is ingrained into your thoughts. There is nothing I could do or say to change that. If you want your answers you can Google "Refuting or Counters to Calvinism.
As for a few things you said that is what I would like to point out:
"It is argued that God is saying here"
implying "Man says"
"If, it is God’s pleasure and will that all men be saved, then it would surely happen."
It is his pleasure but do you think that his pleasure includes that man would not sin?
If thoughts are not free ( determined) then has God caused all thoughts, including evil ones, which would make God the author of sin and evil and man not responsible?
I could go on and on just like you. Understand that this is my blog and my thoughts. I reserve the right to type here. I would rather not sit here and argue on and on about something that Paul would call "useless". There are many out there that need Christ. In your case they are already elected. In my case I am called to go. The lost are out there going to hell while we (Christians) sit here and argue over junk that "MAN" has interpreted.
i wont write anything else to you, ill respect your blog, but i do want to say that its not a cut and paste article...except for the scripture of course. the first half of the post is a part of commentary that i have written myself and keep on my computer. i do remember one time though, where you posted on johno's old theological blog and i found the entire post on a website :) :)
lastly, if you're ever curious why we have these "useless" arguments, just let me know. i've also written a piece on that too. have a nice day jaime, and i dont have any negative feelings towards you, so dont feel the same about me.
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